"But it’s also that lifelong learning. The people that I respect the most are the people that are definitely lifelong learners of the snow and the mountain and not the kind of ‘been there done that’ kind of folks."
"There’s a local guy, Cliff Hansen, a rancher here, that was an old friend of my dad’s. He told me the other day, was telling me that my dad had told him, says ‘Hey, you ought to go down get one of these permits, they’re only $15. They’re gonna be worth somethin’ someday.’ And Cliff said that he told my dad there’s no way in heck anybody will ever pay you to take them down a river they could just go do it themselves."